DIY-Tobacco-NET

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This is smooth and rounded, with a nice mellow flavor. I was hoping for a more spicy barbecue flavor from Kentucky dark fired tobacco. It's interesting to hear that someone had a similar experience. I was surprised myself to find the HH Old Dark Fired to be more mild and smooth. I actually enjoy it...

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Regarding the FDA's strategy towards tobacco harm reduction, I feel it is less of a left vs right problem as it is a problem with money and special interests over science. pBusardo has a YouTube channel where they have been going over the subject off and on over a series of episodes. They like to co...

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Hourman wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:15 am
Additionally, a large proportion of my vaping, especially during work hours, is more in the "stealth" fashion, so I actually want to moderate my clouds.

Good point. The 50/50 and higher PG ratios clear up more quickly.

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I guess I missed the PG train...

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I'm surprised to see that you use an even higher PG ratio. It's not something I see very often. I will have to give it a try.

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I thought it would be interesting if everyone shared what VG/PG ratio they use in their naturally extracted tobacco (NET) eliquids. Also, why they chose their VG/PG ratio. I haven't really messed with adding H2O or alcohol much, but if you do, I'd be interested to hear how much you add and why. For ...

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Yes, i agree, and have noticed this exact phenomenon. Interestingly enough I am vaping one in my rotation now that exactly shows that. It is the original true Royal Yacht from @Kinnikinnick. Actually I estimate that it has about 3mg/ml residual Nicotine in it. I did not realize that when I did the ...

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Just one person's opinion here, but I noticed that I can experience a satisfying vape with NET eliquids at 3mg/ml whereas when I mix up non-NET eliquids, I need at least 4mg/ml. I always assumed it was because there was some amount of nicotine or whole tobacco alkaloid in the NET itself that was con...

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Welcome, Hourman. I hope you find all the helpful info you need here. I know I have received a lot of great advice. I think you'll be able to kick the pipe tobacco smoking if you want to. I've found the pipe blends I've vaped to be the closest experience to smoking out of any tobacco. The cigars are...

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The Brunhilde MTL is a very nice RDTA for NET. It vapes exactly like a dripper... the flavor you get is very intense and satisfying. So I just completed a 3 week test on the Brunhilde. I chain vaped unflavored, 0mg 70/30, 60/40, and 50/50. About a tank of each. The build was always the same, 5 wrap...

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Do you see any harm in refrigeration at say around 35-40 degree F range? Here is the post that initially caused concern: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/threads/storing-e-liquids-in-the-fridge.801451/ I am noticing some sedimentation in my filtered PG extracts after being in the refrigerator for a...

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I am curious how members store their NET extracts? Room temperature? Refrigeration? How long of a shelf life have you experienced?

I've read some reports of NET eliquids getting ruined in the refrigerator. I am interested in what people's thoughts are on refrigerating NET extracts?

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I just posted a summary of my filtration apparatus setup and some initial impressions by updating the first post in this thread. I will continue to update the first post as I elaborate further on my setup and results.

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On occasion, I’ve been a little disappointed with the SS wire rope wick which is in my Vapefly Brunhilde MTL RTA. I’m not sure if it’s the SS rope wick performance or poor coil wicking on my part... but sometimes it seems like not enough liquid is getting to the wick; a dry burn happens if I chain ...

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Alright, quick update here. I've really been struggling with the Harbor Freight vacuum pump. It was venting a lot of oil vapor, so I had to put a hose over it to vent outside so it didn't get all over the place. And forget about filtering VG in any reasonable length of time. Anyway, I went further d...

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I managed to stock up on a lifetime supply of nicotine prior to the NY ban. I have a low nicotine consumption so it wasn't difficult. My supply factors in waste such as failed recipes. Unfortunately I had to bet heavy on one supplier, I wasn't able to perform tests among multiple vendors. Although I...

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There is always the DIY route for snus. If I try it someday, I think I will try DIY because I am a glutton for punishment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MlQ0lMaMs0

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I have not spent a lot of time in cigar shops but unless you happen to get really lucky with the person your talking to the "give me a good cigar" thing is more likely than not to give an overpriced or substandard result. You really have to name a flavor profile (or leaf blend) or a specific cigar ...

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The topic of cigar leaves and production is vast enough that an individual wanting to get a working knowledge of it would need to do extensive research and smoking to get a good baseline. That's the difficulty I've encountered so far. I'm more of a "go to the cigar shop and ask for a good cigar" ty...

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Once you are confident they have gotten to below 70% RH put them in a ziplock and freeze them so you can stop worrying about it. Yes, I learned that trick the hard way. I noticed some hatched beetles in my "Tupperdor." I think from an Organic Pennsylvania Broadleaf. Fortunately it was winter. I was...

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I keep my cigar leafs in a humidor at around 68% relative humidity with a little Spanish cedar. I am careful not to get the RH too high in case of tobacco beetles. I try to get the tobacco in the extraction solvent as soon as I cut to size, with minimal loss in moisture content of the cigar leaf. Si...

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The thinking behind wanting to explore this path is that single leaf tobaccos that you can purchase are not quite the same as what a cigar is rolled with. A cigar has had it various tobaccos chosen and often fermented to have particular tastes. I had a similar thought. For example, I read somewhere...

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Yeah, regarding the H2O extracts, I don't think it was a waste of time or anything. It was just something that needed to be figured out and without a roadmap. I am pretty confident I have a good plan when I want to tackle it again. The key is treating the H20 extract like prepared food. You have to ...

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Since I am new to NET I have purged the majority of my extractions. I started with PGA extractions. I found the flavor profile to be lacking, except for blends like Sutliff Voodoo Queen. However, upon investigation, I realized I was most likely extracting junk they put into pipe blends to add flavor...

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Trying to understand anything that happens in California is an exercise in mental foolery. Yeah, vaping is pretty much shut down here in NY right in the height of the pandemic. Now they are talking about legalizing recreational marijuana for tax revenue. Because that logic makes sense somehow. I’ve...

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I am curious if everyone here has tried or would be interested in trying and reporting results on a dry herb vaporizer for tobacco vs NET e-liquid? Someone pointed me to the Dynavap "M," which uses a flame instead of a battery to heat an element that vaporizes the contents of the chamber. https://ww...

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I have wondered on this subject myself. I tried artificial tobacco flavors in the past and found them very off the mark and unpleasant. I tossed them in the trash. I have tried branching out into different non-tobacco flavors but at the end of the day I am left wondering if there is a significant ha...

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Had to take a few days away from this. Ended up breaking the filtration apparatus. I think I was using too much force pushing the filter element over the flask to form a seal. Teflon tape I think is not the way to go. Purchased another filtration apparatus and the lubri-film. Will give that a try in...

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Huzzah, getting a lot more vacuum now with that pressure chamber. It adds capacity, so I am not recharging a tiny filtration apparatus constantly. Getting a sizable air leak around the filter itself, where the two pieces of glass are clamped together. I am guessing there is not much I can do on that...

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So funny story. I went into Lowes today with the pump, the filtration apparatus line, the lid to the pressure vessel, and 0 clue what I was doing. I eventually ended up in the plumbing section for half an hour sort of pushing things against each other until this guy comes out of nowhere and asks if ...

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Too late, lol. I picked up a pressure tank. I was concerned about the wear and tear on the pump, the alcohol fumes, and just the time it takes switching the pump on and off constantly. I think I'll hold off on the pressure gauge for now, but it looks like I have to swap out some parts up top. I am t...

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Also forgot to ask, is it ok to run this pump for over an hour continuously?

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Oh and I forgot to ask: You can replace the provided pressure gauge with a vacuum gauge and it will be a nice setup ! Do you have a recommendation for a vacuum gauge? I see lots of ports on the pressure tank. it looks like I could keep the valve on there with the two ports and just swap out the pres...

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If you are just using the setup to filter then I say the better route for NET is a centrifuge. I originally thought the centrifuge might be a little too complicated for me at this time, but here I am fidgeting with multiple pieces of equipment to make my setup work. I think I may, at some future da...

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UPDATE: 3/20/21 Bear with me while I go through a few edits here, it's going to take me a little while to get this all organized and written out. The purpose of this post is to outline my current setup for a vacuum filtration apparatus for filtering naturally extracted tobacco (NET). I hope to shar...

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I think once I find an extraction I really like and am familiar with I will try extracting at different temperature, times, and filtration methods. I could see many small variations worth exploring.

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And, of course, eventually, they will just out-law it for personal purchase, so you kill two birds with one stone if you stock pile some good stuff.

Yeah, waiting for that day. That will be a real shame.

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As always watch the temps carefully and do not allow it over 115F at any time. Actually the colder the better.

I am curious if you could elaborate on that statement? I remember you mentioning 115F, but not colder the better.

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One area I have neglected as a DIY NET vaper is nicotine. Originally, I purchased nicotine salts from Liquid Barn and left it at that. However, it struck me that it's a very important ingredient and shouldn't be overlooked. Unfortunately, I am in NY, which is currently undergoing a vape ban. So my e...

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What amount of PG would you suggest per 25gramm of tobacco for cold(6 months) PG extraction? Peter Ramish advises a hot bump of PG extraction, I forget the temperature offhand, but he does it for 8 hours. Followed by shelving for 6 months up to 1 year (cigars and cigar leafs tend to take a year to ...

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From my experience, I found that the amount of extraction solvent used relative to the amount of tobacco is more of an art than a science. For example, I've used an oriental tobacco that is a much greater volume than say a latakia. So for the same weight, that oriental is going to take up a lot more...

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Wow, sounds like a mess. Never tried a centrifuge myself. I think at some point I may give it a try. In the meantime I will be using a glass filter funnel under vacuum. Kind of like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/500ml-Filtration-Apparatus-Vacuum-Lab-Filtering-Unit-with-Funnel-Clamp/372874291747?has...

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And, be sure to try a PG only extraction. I agree with Peter_Ramish there. I tried ethanol extraction method. It works well on certain pipe tobacco blends, especially cased and top coated blends. As for cigars and single leaf varietals, or non-cased tobaccos, PG extracts had a better flavor in my o...

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Stems pulled. Got another round of extractions waiting for a year. Let me know if you are interested in any of the whole leaves Peter_Ramish, I can send you some to try extracting yourself. I have them sitting in a tupperdor now with some Spanish cedar. I have everything organic LeafOnly has to offe...

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On whole-leaf extractions, do you remove the stem? I am wondering what flavor profile a stem might impart. Chewed on a stem for the heck of it; it was pretty harsh relative to the leaf. Best guess is that it would add robustness. I know from a cigar rolling standpoint the stem is removed, but I imag...

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So here is the next list of PG - VG/PGA comparison extractions I will have running. I will probably have them go a year in the jar. CT Havana Primed Ungraded Leaf Aged Indonesian Sumatra Seco Filler Mexican San Andres Wrapper Honduran Binder Aged Nicaraguan Ligero Esteli Filler Aged Brazilian Arapir...

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My list of interest is similar to yours. The one thing I observed was that the Mexican San Andres Viso filler was out of stock, so I thought that I would try the Mexican San Andres Wrapper, but I wasn't sure that would result in a similar extraction, aside from the steeper price. I was also thinking...

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Yeah, I could probably pay someone off the street to rotate my jars by hand for less money.

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So the short of it is that I have sampled some of the individual cigar leaf extracts you sent, and I found them interesting, but really missing something. As you have mentioned before, they are ingredients intended to be brought together into a whole. Not knowing what I was doing and being somewhat ...

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Because it is moving on two axis the drive mechanism is a little more complex. See this Utube for a example of how the motion is arranged. It is not just a simple one axis rotation. Wow, I didn't realize that the rotation was so elaborate. It makes sense though looking at it. I was thinking, anothe...

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I wondered if you could make something like this for a similar price. My thought is that it would perhaps work more effectively at rotating the contents, it would fit a wider array of container sizes, and take up less of a footprint. I am thinking if it is belt driven or chain driven, each roller wo...

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I was once stopped in Texas at a "checkpoint" that was over 200 miles into Texas and the cop at that check point grilled us for 20 minutes. I think I remember a news video on that once. Something about how you don't actually have to answer any questions if you are within the US. Not border crossing...

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Bad news is that I was unable to stop at Duty Free on way back. However, as I understand it, it's cheaper to purchase from Duty Free in Canada before crossing border back to US. Technically you're not supposed to bring something back if you purchased it in US duty free and are returning back to US. ...

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I was on the way to Canada the other day and stopped at a place right before the border called the Duty Free. The price for Everclear 190 was substantially lower than anywhere else in NY. The price for 1.75 liter was what I would pay for 1 liter normally. There was also a cheaper brand I can't recal...

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Alrighty, that's all the info I need for now, thank you. I have a gallon of PG on the way and 10 tobaccos to extract. Will start with the procedures you outlined in your extraction method, minus the ultrasonic or ferris wheel, that's out of budget for the next year or so. Although really I could pro...

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Now it would be almost criminal to chop that work of art up and make a vape out of it. Better just smoke that one or the tobacco Gods will look down on you unkindly I will have to think about that one. It's the one I'm most familiar with in terms of smoking, so I thought that it would be a good lit...

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well what I would suggest is that, rather than buy rolled cigars, for bold and spicy you get some Nicaraguan Ligero leaf from LeafOnly. The reason is two fold. First the price of quality rolled cigars is just outrageous now. So for the price of one or two high quality cigars you will get 1/4 lb of ...

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Understanding that flavor is subjective; looking for what the best cigars are for PG extraction? I am conducting another round of extractions, want to try 1 or 2 cigars. I like bold and spicy, but open to other suggestions and perhaps an idea of flavor notes.

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Thanks [mention]Kinnikinnick[/mention] for the suggestion. I didn't realize you could evap the alcohol out of the VG, or PG for that matter. Not sure if I will evap the EA yet. Before you know it, winter will be here, and I noticed my VG e-liquids just couldn't handle the cold. Although I am experim...

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That sounds very promising. I am surprised to hear that the flavor is comparable to PG extraction. I'm still on the fence myself with my existing H2O extractions because they were outside the food safety window longer than 4 hours. So I am pretty sure I can kill anything living in there and remove t...

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Hi 50YearsOfCigars, I have been looking for a breakdown of your PG extraction method, but haven't found it. It would be nice to learn about it. I was wondering a few things. If you've ever done a comparison between the 'hot bump' method you mention and just keeping the PG extract at room temperature...

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You gave me an idea. What if I were to evaporate the finished H2O extracts down to 0 moisture content, heat that to a certain temperature, not sure what, and then add ethanol afterwards for recovery of the solid. Of course flavor may be destroyed. Just hate to dump all this. Although sometimes you j...

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I have a number of 'finished' H2O extracts that I've been sitting on here. There is a microbial safety question that remains unanswered. I believe the addition of ethanol may not deactivate spores. And then there is the problem of the addition of adding the extract to vegetable glycerine for a vapab...

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With potential setbacks occurring from the H2O extraction method, I've been pursuing other ideas.

My new idea is to use vegetable glycerine as an extraction solvent with ethyl alcohol added just enough to improve viscosity, allowing easier filtration.

Thoughts?

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Hey, somewhat tangental. Do you think there is a significant amount of nicotine in an H2O extraction? What about ethanol or PG? I wonder how much nicotine is actually transferred over depending on the method.

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