Snus - Your Thoughts

[Peter_Ramish]

Snus form on a daily basis

You’ve got my curiosity up... tell me a little bit more about that

[Kinnikinnick]

Snus started out being a Swedish thing; eventually, copied across the pond. Here’s a link to what I enjoy.

https://www.generalsnus.com/Products/Original/

Basically, it’s tobacco (+ other ingredients) in a little pouch, easily enjoyed between the cheek and gum. I’m not a “flavored” Snus guy; thus, the Original style for me; at most, it’s a little salty tasting. Sometimes, I switch it up and use the White portions:

https://www.generalsnus.com/Products/White/

I used to chew Red Man pouch tobacco; very tasty, but, not a “spitless” tobacco product. I had to switch over to a spitless tobacco when I found myself in more polite company. The Snus does pack a pretty good nicotine hit for a good 3 hours. I mainly use it when I can’t vape in the general population.

[Kinnikinnick]

Good link for info purposes. I’ve never ordered from Northerner, so buyer beware.

https://www.northerner.com/us/general-p ... edish-snus

[Peter_Ramish]

Thanks for the second link.. I tried to go the first link you suggested but it wanted me to register first before it would show me the site. Their registration process kept dumping me out, so guess I will try again later, it told me that 'my information could not be verified',,- whatever that means

I think this is an interesting discussion. To those that might wonder why it is here in this BBS, well we are talking about things tobacco here, so I think it is very relevant. Particularly because it relates to the Nicotine levels in the blood stream. We need to start a thread about percentage levels that we use in the extractions as well.

I might just place a sample order with the second link. The issue that it might help me with is that: I know a lot of us (me included) have a few extractions that we purposely jump the Nicotine level up to about 50% higher than our normal EDV. I know I reach for those when I want the old sensation I used to get from a stout pre-embargo Puro

[Kinnikinnick]

I don’t know that particular vendor... so, I can’t speak for their business practices. The link was merely for reading purposes.

General Snus can most likely be purchased at most “7-Eleven/Circle K” type quick mart type places or the local gas station. But, you might be able to find it online to ship to your location.

More on this topic later...

[Peter_Ramish]

More on this topic later...

I am anxious to hear your thoughts on this.

I did something that i know better when researching this subject. That is I went to Wikipedia and read their article about Snus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus ...Of course using WikiP as a source of acurate information is a fools mission, but they did point out something that I have heard before: That is that the true Swedish Snus is a very particular product, produced under some exacting standards and procedures. Like the famous and well understood history of Cuba Cigars, many tobacco products have lived their lives down a tortuous road from creation to death and eventually are subverted from the original, now no longer recognizable.

So I am cautious about buying and sourcing the products. Most likely counterfiters are rampant. Here is a quote from the WikiP article that caught my eye :

Most Scandinavian snus is produced in Sweden and regulated as food under the Swedish Food Act.[9] Many Swedish manufacturers have even implemented their own quality standards on top of the already very stringent regulations for food products, in order to ensure quality. The most commonly known for this is of course GOTHIATEK by Swedish Match - a quality control system that follows each production from seed to finished can.

Another point they make is that what is available here in USA is most likely not Swedish Snus. To save me some time: you mention the corner gas station. Is wikiP wrong on that, have you actually had good luck at the 7-Eleven?

So yet another trip into the looking glass. Tobacco is odd that way

Here is the killer quote from the WikiP article:

American snus, available since the late 1990s, is similar to the Scandinavian form, but usually has a lower moisture content and lower pH, resulting in lower bioavailability of nicotine than Scandinavian varieties, meaning less is available for absorption.[10] American snus is often flavored, e.g., with spearmint, wintergreen, vanilla or fruit (e.g. cherry), and may contain sugar. This means that American snus has, unlike Swedish snus, hardly any tobacco flavor at all and the flavoring agents used are intense with an often overbearingly sweet after-taste.

Kind of like RY4, just another flavor joke that Americans seem to never tire of.

[Peter_Ramish]

It turns out that snus has an amazing blizzard of controvery surrounding it, for example it has been banned throughout the EU – but the product is hardly innovative, having been developed 200 years ago. All the recent clinical evidence not only underlines its relative safety, but snus is also credited with plummeting smoking rates in Sweden and Norway and a gold standard decline in smoking-related disease compared to the rest of the EU.

So my research has uncovered the following, which I call "everything you ever wanted to know about snus"

1. What’s The Legal Status Of Snus In The UK?
https://www.clickliverpool.com/features ... in-the-uk/
(November 2020)
In recent years, snus has emerged as a compelling alternative to smoking tobacco products. Anyone who has ever tried quitting the habit can attest to how difficult it is to drop. Remember the millions ...
Created on 17 November 2020

2. Risk Perceptions of Snus and Cigarettes in a Snus-Prevalent Society
https://www.vapingpost.com/2020/10/29/r ... t-society/
(November 2020)
... research and typically confused with those of cigarettes. Conducted in Norway, where the use of snus is highly prevalent, the current study tested whether such inaccuracies existed also locally. The researchers ...
Created on 03 November 2020

3. The greater use of flavoured snus among ever-smokers versus never-smokers in Norway
https://harmreductionjournal.biomedcent ... 20-00419-7
(October 2020)
Similar to the debate around e-cigarettes, an increase in snus use among Norwegian adolescents has prompted debate on whether flavour options in snus should be limited. To this end, we compared use of ...
Created on 19 October 2020

4. Increasing similarities between young adults' smoking and snus use in Norway: a study of the trends and stages of smoking and snus epidemic from 2010 to 2018
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33023560/
(October 2020)
The prevalence of smoking has been decreasing in Norway for decades. In contrast, the prevalence of snus use has recently increased substantially, especially among females. While there is a clear social ...
Created on 09 October 2020

5. How to Properly Use Snus
https://lovebelfast.co.uk/how-to-properly-use-snus/
(September 2020)
There are different ways to consume tobacco; you can smoke cigarettes, cigars, or even chew tobacco. One of the lesser-known forms of getting tobacco in your system is through using Snus. Although Snus ...
Created on 03 September 2020

6. Snus Is Revolting
https://www.planetofthevapes.co.uk/news ... lting.html
(August 2020)
Customs police in Finland are reporting they are seizing a record number of counterfeit snus imports. Researchers at the Karolinska Institutet in Sweden have discovered that snus use can reverse the chance ...
Created on 17 August 2020

7. NNA: The UK Government May Review its Position on Snus
https://www.vapingpost.com/2020/08/15/n ... n-on-snus/
(August 2020)
While snus remains widely banned in the UK and across the EU, in response to a question about the product by a representative of the Department of Health, the UK government said that they may “..consider ...
Created on 17 August 2020

8. #1 - Welcome to the Revolution. The Snus Revolution.
https://anchor.fm/snus-revolution-podca ... ion-ef5pmo
(June 2020)
Join Snus Revolution hosts Bengt Wiberg and Michael McGrady for the very first episode of this exciting new podcast. We chat about the format of the show, the Swedish Experience, relative risks, quitting ...
Created on 11 June 2020

9. Will the Pandemic Cause Smokers to Switch to Snus or Nicotine Pouches?
https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/04/ ... -snus.aspx
(April 2020)
... caused by the novel coronavirus, has been found to strike smokers harder than the rest of the population, many may begin rethinking their habit in earnest. [...] snus and nicotine pouches may become ...
Created on 15 April 2020

10. What’s the deal with Snus – the smokeless nicotine in a pouch?
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/14-01- ... n-a-pouch/
(January 2020)
Basically, the major selling point for snus is that it’s a way of getting a nicotine hit, without also having to actually take smoke into your lungs. That can mean a significant amount of harm reduction, ...
Created on 14 January 2020

11. Snus Can Save People From Cigarettes. Just Ask Sweden.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... ask-sweden
(October 2019)
Tuesday was an important day for public health in the U.S. For the first time ever, the Food and Drug Administration ruled that a company will be allowed to advertise its tobacco products as less harmful ...
Created on 24 October 2019

12. FDA Designates General Snus as Less Harmful Alternative to Cigarettes
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 43126.html
(October 2019)
In a historic decision, the U.S. Food & Drug Administration authorized Swedish Match U.S. Division's amended Modified Risk Tobacco Product applications (MRTPAs) for eight varieties of General Snus, making ...
Created on 23 October 2019

13. Children are more likely to have higher blood pressure by age six if their mother used snus, a Swedish, powdered tobacco product, during pregnancy
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases ... 101119.php
(October 2019)
The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 World Health Organization (WHO) study concluded it was carcinogenic to humans. Snus remains popular in Sweden,is now available in the U.S. ...
Created on 16 October 2019

14. Top scientists of the world talk about snus at GFN 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYyoX59 ... e=youtu.be
(June 2019)
In this documentary from Global Forum on Nicotine (#GFN) 2019 you will hear some of the top scientists of the world talk about #snus and #EUforsnus for an end to the deadly ban on snus in #EU where 100 ...
Created on 24 June 2019

15. Snus can aid global tobacco harm reduction - GFN Film Festival 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tljp1JEMOSM
(June 2019)
We are a consumer crowd international movement with several thousand members from 100 nations, many women. We all love #snus and support #harmreduction to the world without giving up the tobacco and #nicotine. ...
Created on 20 June 2019

16. US Smokers Mistakenly Equate Harms of Snus With Those of Cigarettes
https://nicotinepolicy.net/news-archive ... cigarettes
(March 2019)
Most American smokers continue to believe that snus, a moist tobacco product placed under the lip that originates from Sweden, is as harmful as combustible tobacco—even though it is not. A new study ...
Created on 10 March 2019

17. #Snus – #ECJ, politically charged, opposes harm-reduction
https://www.eureporter.co/health/2018/1 ... reduction/
(December 2018)
In January last year, the New Nicotine Alliance (NNA) appealed against the 1992 EU-ban on the smokeless tobacco snus. According to Eurostat figures, smoking rates in Sweden [...] are the lowest in the ...
Created on 03 December 2018

18. Professor Emeritus Gerry Stimson on Swedish snus and the unjust EU ban
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxsAG1U ... e=youtu.be
(November 2018)
#UK talkRadio interviews professor Gerry Stimson on Swedish #snus. Gerry is also founder of the New Nicotine Alliance (#NNA) in UK and a wold-wide known advocate and scientist for tobacco harm reduction. ...
Created on 26 November 2018

19. EU court stands by ban on Swedish tobacco product 'snus
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-euro ... SKCN1NR1AF
(November 2018)
The European Union’s top court on Wednesday stood by an EU ban on the sale of snus, a moist snuff tobacco product made by Swedish Match, in line with advice earlier this year. Snus is banned in all EU ...
Created on 23 November 2018

20. Finnish Medical Association seeks total ban on snus tobacco
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finn ... o/10480948
(October 2018)
The Finnish Medical Association (FMA) says the import of snus, an orally-ingested tobacco product, should be banned altogether. As part of its agenda to reduce tobacco use in Finland, a working group ...
Created on 30 October 2018

[Kinnikinnick]

I guess I’m gonna have to have faith that my General Snus is manufactured in Sweden, shipped to the US, and distributed by Swedish Match; that’s what the label on the package states at any rate

Swedish Match is quite militant about the storage of their product in stores. Any time that I have picked up my cans of G Snus from a local source, the Snus is always stored in a refrigerated container. I find that comforting. If they didn’t care about their product, they wouldn’t go to the trouble of proper storage of the product prior to the sale.

I’ve researched ordering the product online from overseas. Even though the product is less expensive online, there’s no savings after paying shipping. Thus, buying it from a local vendor in the US is my move; the cost per can is the same.

I’ve also researched making DIY snus. However, the issue for me is that I’ve never liked loose Snus in my mouth. Having the product in a little manageable disposable pouch is preferred.

[Peter_Ramish]

From various Financial Press sources:
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STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Swedish Match reported slightly lower than forecast quarterly operating earnings on Wednesday, and said it expected continued rapid growth of the nicotine pouches market in 2021.

The Swedish company’s biggest businesses are moist snuff -“snus” in Scandinavia - and cigars in the United States, although sales of its tobacco-free nicotine pouches, ZYN, are growing at a rapid pace.

Fourth-quarter operating profit at Swedish Match rose to 1.65 billion Swedish crowns ($198.43 million) from 1.10 billion a year earlier, lagging the 1.73 billion average analyst forecast according to data from Refinitiv.
Sales in the quarter amounted to 4.14 billion crowns, up 5% from a year earlier, and roughly in line with the 4.11 billion analyst forecast.
The company said the development for ZYN in the United States was a major growth driver in the quarter.

“For 2021, Swedish Match expects continued market growth for smoke-free products, most notably driven by rapid growth of nicotine pouches,” it said in a statement.

[CAAB]

There is always the DIY route for snus. If I try it someday, I think I will try DIY because I am a glutton for punishment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MlQ0lMaMs0